Prevent slug/permalink changes on title changes

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  • #15612

    identity
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    After updating a listing title, I realized that the slug/permalink also changed based on those changes. I may be wrong, but this seems different than the standard WordPress handling for posts and pages.

    What I don’t know is whether this is how WordPress handles custom post types (seems wrong that they would handle these differently) or something specific to GD.

    I don’t have any other WP instances using CPTs, so can anyone answer that?

    The thought of URLs changing every time someone changes a listing title is frightening.

    While I would like to maintain the ability to make permalink changes from the admin/backend, I’d like to prevent users from unwittingly changing them if they change their listing title.

    Is this possible in GD (hopefully as this seems absolutely critical for a directory) or does anyone know of a plugin to do this?

    cheers

    #15630

    Guust
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    I alerted Stiofan to this.

    #15639

    identity
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    cheers Guust

    #15647

    Stiofan O’Connor
    Site Admin
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    Hi Brian, this seems logical to me, how would you suggest it should work?

    #15653

    Guust
    Moderator
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    Stiofan, WP’s normal behaviour is that you can change the title of a post or page as many times you like without changing the URL.
    The way it is for the moment results in broken links when a user or admin changes the listing title.

    #15658

    Stiofan O’Connor
    Site Admin
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    I agree it should not be changed when editing from the backend but what would u do about front end?

    Stiofan

    #15659

    Guust
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    Personally, I think URL should only be able to be changed by admin.
    Otherwise you get people changing title just to change URL.
    Once submitted, it should not change unless admin wants to change it.

    What do you think, Brian (and anybody else)?

    #15660

    directory
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    I think when a user (listing owner) edits his or her listing at the frontend, he or she should be assuming that the URL will also be edited to match the listing title. That seems to be normal to me since listing owners don’t have the ability to change listing URLs via the backend.

    I think that is one of the reasons CPTs are separated from posts and pages. Only the admin should be able to change CPT URLs at the backend. I may be wrong so let’s wait for Stiofan’s further input.

    #15663

    directory
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    Sorry I didn’t realize Stiofan and Guust posted their responses while I was writing my response. I agree with Guust as I have stated above.

    #15667

    Stiofan O’Connor
    Site Admin
    Post count: 22956

    Guust’s suggestion sounds best to me also, i’ll leave this open for more replies before i assign it as a task.

    Stiofan

    #15668

    amolin
    Buyer
    Post count: 161

    I agree with Guust.

    I promote listings and events in social networks and
    I would not like have broken links because users edited the title.

    #15676

    identity
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    Most users won’t have a clue that changing the title will change the URL. Hopefully people won’t change their titles willy-nilly, but where there’s a way, some will.

    I would suggest:

    They are treated just like regular post and page URLs…the permalink is based on the title and once set, can only be changed explicitly via the backend permalink editor.

    This would be familiar to everyone, and if it was done by role, even an admin or editor could “accidentally” change a URL because they corrected or updated a title.

    If a user wants or needs to change a URL, they are still able to contact the site owner or an admin to request a change.

    This is the best for search engines, users, and site owners.

    cheers

    #15695

    purpleedge
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    The only person who can change the title is the person who created the listing, the business owner, or an admin.

    I personally don’t see a problem with any of these people changing the title, and the URL. If the title and URL need to be corrected, eg because of a misspelling, then I think they should be changed. I would rather have a correct URL than a wron one.

    I don’t see a big problem with broken links internally, possibly with external links – if any, but search engines will update eventually.

    #15726

    identity
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    Sorry, but I have to strongly disagree. Allowing URLs to change indiscriminately as a secondary action to a title change is bad.

    It runs the potential of broken links internally and externally.

    It introduces “accidental” URL changes that were never desired in the first place.

    404s like this will be a back user-experience, and runs the risk of diminishing the quality signal to Google and other search engines, especially for URLs that they have previously crawled on the site (not just an external link that may have been malformed to begin with).

    Wordpress adopted the present treatment of post and page URLs because the best practice with URLs is that they should rarely be changed once created, and if changed, it should be an active process that allows more control and the ability for redirects to be put in place to preserve the link integrity.

    I venture that most GD instances will be on small, average, non-brand/non-authoritative sites that may also be brand new sites starting out. That is already one large hurdle to overcome without sending low quality signals on top of.

    In the extreme instances where there are massive URL changes, I’ve seen much bigger, authoritative brand sites see their search engine performance and traffic dropped to half or even a quarter of what it was and often still struggle for months to regain that position.

    Everyone things the most important thing with SEO is title tags…it’s not. URLs and the handling of URLs is the single most important SEO principle.

    Allowing explicit permalink changes from within the Admin area provides the benefit if being able to change URLs while removing nearly all of the risk of doing so, and those risks are now solely in the hands of people who should know how to mitigate those risks.

    cheers

    #15729

    amolin
    Buyer
    Post count: 161

    100% agree with Brian

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