Best practices for bulk editing and merging tags

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  • #497048

    Paul
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    Hi guys,

    I’ve recently read a lot on how the geodirectory search functions and I’ve seen Stiofan patiently (and repeatedly) explain it on the forum. My understanding is that the “Search For” field looks at the CPT listing title, description, category and tags. Can you tell me if/how this is weighted or processed?

    Most visitors who search on our site say they can’t find what they’re looking for using the search even though they know there are listings that match. I know this is a likely because the tag they’re searching doesn’t match. I’m trying to clean up the tags for each CPT to improve the relevance of what people are typing into the search.

    I started looking for a tag manager plugin that can edit and merge the CPT tags in bulk, but figured I should check with you first.

    Do you have a document that suggests tips and best practices for tag management for Geodirectory specifically? I’ve read these already:
    https://wpgeodirectory.com/docs-v2/addons/advanced-search/
    https://wpgeodirectory.com/docs/gd-search/
    https://wpgeodirectory.com/downloads/advanced-search-add-on/

    I’m looking for more advice on how to optimize the search experience through managing tags and also how to educate listing owners on how to add tags. Most articles I’ve read on tag management advocate for tightly controlling tags and not letting users set them, but I think they’re speaking more generally about blogs/posts and not about a directory setup.

    Also, Great job on V2. I’m really liking all the features you’ve added and appreciating the depth of thought on search.

    #497087

    Alex Rollin
    Moderator
    Post count: 27815

    It is weighted so that a match in title is more relevant than description or category or tags but all of those matter and will return results for matches. Featured is weighted also.

    Tags are often used for admin ad hoc groupings of listings.
    I will flag your topic for the developers to say more.

    #497134

    Alex Rollin
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    #497163

    Paul
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    Post count: 139

    Hey Alex,

    Thanks for the info in the link. I found Stiofan’s explanation useful.

    I’ll wait for the developers to help explain, but I wanted to make sure my three main questions are clear and get answered:
    1) Should we not allow users to add tags to the listings?
    2) What are best practices for bulk editing and merging tags in GD CPT? – Regardless of who is adding them.
    3) Is there any way to make an autosuggest search or dropdown filter for tags?

    You said, “Tags are often used for admin ad hoc groupings of listings.” Is that meant to suggest we shouldn’t be having our users set the tags and only have admins add/manage them? I’ve heard opposing ideas on the GD forum and other places online.

    I think documentation on this is needed and it should be less about describing how it works and more about guiding admins on the benefits and drawbacks of the various ways to manage tags in GD CPT.

    I pulled together what I’ve read on the forum about the search algorithm and the management of tags:

    ADVICE ABOUT USING TAGS ON GD CPT:
    – From Paolo (10/1/15): Tags are taxonomy elements used as short keywords. They are one of the elements searched by the search form along with title, categories and content. They allow to browse all listings by a specific tag (just like categories).
    – From Stiofan (10/16/18): Tags are user entered info and they are already searched during a normal search, you can also just visit a tags page if thats what u want to filter by. I don’t see the benefit of adding a specific tags filter (in the search), but i’m happy to debate it and how it would work. User replied:

    – tags are asked for on the front end, raising expectations
    – people do not know which tags to search for, but would if presented with a list (a well known taxonomy problem: one person’s ‘cat’ is another’s ‘feline’ is another’s ‘persian’ but all of them would know to select ‘cat’ from a list)
    – you can add lots of other things to the filter but NOT this.Is adding tags to the filter extraordinarily hard for reasons I don’t comprehend?

    – From Alex (9/5/18): Tags do not offer autocomplete because Tags are the most common administrative tool used to organize listings and so are hidden from general users. This has been changed in V2 where a form of autocomplete is now available. (https://wpgeodirectory.com/support/topic/adding-tags/)
    – From Paolo (10/1/18 ): User said: “Is there anyway to override the location element? I would prefer that a tag searches all articles with that tag as opposed to the tag and specific location….I managed to achieve what I wanted by removing “Add location in urls” in the permalinks. Are there any downsides to this?” | Paolo responded: A downside could be less location focused ranking in Google search results… Other than that it should work.

    DESCRIPTION OF HOW GD SEARCH ALGORITHM WORKS:

    – The “Search For” field will search for keywords in the listing title, text content, categories and tags. GD will check the entry titles, description and taxonomies (tags and categories) of the listings. The search will not check custom fields or locations. (https://wpgeodirectory.com/downloads/advanced-search-add-on/ AND https://wpgeodirectory.com/docs/gd-search/)
    – From Stiofan (10/10/18): The algorithm is weighted for different things, you can think of it like a points system, if the query is the exact same as the title it gets 20 points, if it’s in the title it gets 20 points, if its in the body it gets 3 points for each occurrence, if the listing is featured it gets extra points to boost it. (https://wpgeodirectory.com/support/topic/can-you-please-explain-how-the-search-results-are-prioritised/).
    – From Stiofan (11/1/18): Here is the order by query part, so hopefully you can understand things a bit more: ORDER BY ( gd_titlematch * 2 + gd_featured * 5 + gd_exacttitle * 10 + gd_content * 1.5) DESC, wp_posts.post_title asc, wp_geodir_gd_place_detail.is_featured asc, wp_posts.post_date desc (https://wpgeodirectory.com/support/topic/can-you-please-explain-how-the-search-results-are-prioritised/page/2/)

    COMMON WAYS TO CHANGE:
    – From Guust (9/1/18): To sort by featured first on your Listings pages: GD > Place Settings > Sorting Options tab > Add Featured to the Sorting options on the right, and set to default.

    #497241

    Paolo
    Site Admin
    Post count: 31206

    Just to make sure it is clear, Tags are a WordPress thing more than a GeoDirectory thing. A good explanation is provided here: https://www.wpbeginner.com/glossary/tag/

    With that in mind:

    1) That’s something that can be different for each website. We give both options, but the decision is yours. In my website I let user add them, then I moderate them and remove/add more if needed.

    2) Bulk editing of listings is possible via CSV file import/export, that’s the definitely the best way to do it.

    However, tags can’t be merged.

    3) Not without code customization. That would be beyond support.

    Thank you,

    #497259

    Paul
    Lifetime Member
    Post count: 139

    Thanks for the quick reply and explanation, Paolo. Two last questions regarding #2 and #3 from above:

    2) Thanks for the tip. I’ll use CSV file import/export. Do you see any obvious problems with using a plugin that merges tags like this one: https://wordpress.org/plugins/simple-tags/

    3) Could I submit a feature request for the the tags being included in the “Search For” field. I truly have no idea how difficult that would be, but if that’s too complicated would you consider adding a for tag dropdown field in filters? I saw this has been asked before, but not sure if it’s difficult.

    #497401

    Paul
    Lifetime Member
    Post count: 139

    Paolo,

    You can mark this as solved and no need to reply to my last message. I just saw another post in which you described how feature requests work. I’ll wait to see if anyone +1s this feature request.

    Cheers!

    #497404

    Paolo
    Site Admin
    Post count: 31206

    Ok I’ll reply n2 though.

    That plugin will not work because it’ll only merge tags in the default WP Tables, but GeoDirectory has it’s own db tables.

    Thanks

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